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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion and

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shine a light on the conspiracies to

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welcome to night-vision radio

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good evening everybody thank you so much

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for joining us we have an exciting show

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planned for this evening I'm really

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really grateful to my good friend

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Patricia Baker who connected me with my

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guest tonight and suggested him and my

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goodness as I was telling him on the

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phone prior to us going on air

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I've been steadily delving into his

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material his life story and it is quite

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quite amazing now I don't know how many

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of you might have seen the HBO

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documentary that was released this week

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all going clear about the Scientology

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Church of Scientology I know if you

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didn't see it you definitely heard about

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it because it was all over the news and

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there's been a lot of reviews on it

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since that time and so I thought it

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might be interesting and timely to sort

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of look into organizations like that and

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I'm not talking about necessarily in

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similar philosophy or but just how these

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organizations work how you get involved

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in them and actually a marvelous story

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and a very revelatory story about this

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gentleman's 15 year journey into an

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organization called the processed Church

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of the final judgment I have with me

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tonight artist musician and author

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Timothy Wiley timothy thank you so much

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for joining us well thank you so much

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for having me Renee it's a real pleasure

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well as I promised in some of the

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promotions that I posted online today

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we're going to be talking today about

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everything from cults to NDEs to angels

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so we've got quite a lot of material to

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cover but in reviewing your research I

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see that you know this is certainly

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nothing that you can't handle you've got

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a lot of experience in all these areas

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and have done some thorough research so

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I'm sure we can learn a lot from your

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experiences now can you talk a little

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bit the process church was originally

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a couple named Robert Moore and Marianne

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McLean who later changed the last name

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to Grimstone or des Grimstone because of

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its I'll call sort of connotations I

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guess now could you talk about what the

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alcohol content of that I mean when I

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see the word Grimstone I I think of

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where grimoire is that am I on the right

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I think corporate coincidence amazing

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Marianne had detentions I think you'd

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call it to being you know an important

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person and I think she wants to publish

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changeovers name or their name because

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they were married to two Grimstone

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because it sounded more authoritative

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and and unspecial I just think it was so

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much for the account aspect of that

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although I hadn't thought about it on

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two dimensions if you practice right

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somewhere and so I started trying to

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Grimstone well maybe grimoire you know I

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don't know but but maybe that wasn't it

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at all maybe as you said it sounded a

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little bit more aristocratic but now you

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organization almost you know in the very

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early days right and you know this was

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Scientology however they developed their

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very own philosophy that differed very

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greatly from Scientology is that correct

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yes that's correct yeah yeah the

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background really is such an I I was a

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architectural training in England is

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training and Robert did three years

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statistics in seven years and Robert

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best friends at that point when the only

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pig which I can cavalierly they just of

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psychology Institute it sounds kind of

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violence certain questions and you know

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reason they do that Scientology and the

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only that for about a year I think is

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that they really saw that Scientology

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direction by which I mean they were

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little wrong happens so they spotted it

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meter that a little lie-detector machine

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a tablet was using could be used much

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creatively and not trying to crazy you

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trying to find out more about ourselves

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in psychotherapy of course the more you

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dig into yourself the more you ask

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questions like why are you here you know

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spiritual one I could sort of a mystery

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gentle oceans that we have allies we

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taught ourselves you know that we're not

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capable of doing this or we're not brave

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with these groups and how do you get

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of ideas and some of them are very very

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good in its if you can sort of take what

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programming words like Satan and Lucifer

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some people but there really was sort of

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earlier Gnostic type beliefs in that

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material is is that fair to say yes

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leaders but they also tend to be quite

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self-indulgence the Christian type wants

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to bring everybody together and in peace

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that the satanic type is very sorry and

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often you know takes public roles of I'm

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scratch as much as cats you know they

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very rebellious types so that's the way

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terms of our religion you know in order

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know it became you know something to do

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with before God's know I never worship

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the I don't think any of us worship

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these gods it wasn't that worship Satan

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no worshipping Jennifer it was about

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nature of these archetypes that make

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now you said you know obviously you

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already knew one of the founders you

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knew Robert before he the the processed

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church was ever founded before he even

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ever met Mary Ann said and then they

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started using you as a guinea pig to try

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out this therapy that they were

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developing how did that go from the

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evolving into the the church itself I

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mean I know you just explained

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in some way how those theories and

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evolved but how did it then become an

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organization is it was it because of the

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tax-exempt status and which allows

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operate yes we started becoming aware of

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the philosophy I think we were talking

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at the same time I miss what you would

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you want have we lost my guest

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I think I'm sure am I here hello hello

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well we're talking with Timothy Wiley

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author of love sex death and about the

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process Church it seems that he's

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dropped out of the line we'll see if we

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can't get hello hello there we go

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was that you that dropped out or was

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that me I'm stuck I can tell I know I do

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drop out every once in a while oh oh

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sorry about them if I think you're

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asking about how how this becomes an

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organization well what happens is I was

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basically the first one who was a guinea

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pig and because I was the occupational

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school and because I know the kind of

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person who tends to gather people around

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him you know almost unconsciously in a

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way you know laundered by train started

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joining and you know going in for

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therapy and everything and that's really

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how it started i i'm that's actually

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after about six or seven months I had a

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terrible brown with Marianne and I said

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I'd had nothing I left and that's for

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two years and when I came back because

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it was all organized and they were in

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Wigmore Street and they had 40 or 50

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people coming every two days it was

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concerns I miss a lot of that early

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stage now this was this was in the 60s

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and the 70s and it you know sort of

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probably your involvement in these kinds

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of matters came you know sort of in the

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post-war era

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imagine when people were becoming a

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little bit disillusioned and starting to

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look for different ways of of being it

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was that sort of a sign of the times I

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think so yes I know I did go out to

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write I I can't speak for America but in

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England you see in the in the early 60s

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or the late 50s and early 60s because

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it's really basically started about 1963

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1964 we were all absolutely convinced

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that there was going to be an atomic war

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I mean you know we just come out of on

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well we knew what was you were like we

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knew what Thomas is I grew up with bombs

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dropping on my head so you know we had

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no solutions about it we use it you know

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wasn't worth getting getting younger a

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table your protection on your decimal

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protection bombs blew everything up so I

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you know it was a very very difficult

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time also we were covering from the war

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you know we kind of had the delusions we

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won the war which cost me you really won

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the war and I remember the terrible fate

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and the heart of that is germs even the

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terrible state so yes it was all that

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going on and also you know being young

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people you know and I sort of thinner

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trenches yeah we were looking at

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authorities Otakon us into two world

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wars within 25 years you know it's all

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there has to be a better way than this

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you know so really it I think what drew

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us all together and public what's your

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authority for two more groups like ours

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was let's try and find out a better way

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of both being together you know and of

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course once you get into that you find

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there's an awful lot of problems that we

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have both internally the prevents us

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from getting on with people so we better

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take care of ourselves before this job's

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trying to save the world right that's

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ready by basic soil stands make friends

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from ourselves make friends with all the

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sort of the the negative aspects of

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ourselves so we can release those things

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you know boys try to have other people

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now I know a lot of times in

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organizations whether they be you know

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research organization or whether they be

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a religious organization a lot of times

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we'll start out with sort of one you

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know mission statement or raise on that

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and it's it does have a lot of good

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aspects to it or positive aspects but

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then it seems when people start

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organizing that sometimes a hierarchy

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will develop and there becomes to be

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problems with egos did that happen in

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the organization the processed church

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did it start out one thing and then sort

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of expanded into something else with

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egos going out of control or for

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instance I heard that while Robert wrote

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the books and and and did a lot of the

393
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talking that Mary Ann was actually the

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real powerhouse behind the group is that

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it is there any truth to that oh yes no

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absolutely no she was there it was

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really a matriarchy but she decided to

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sort of stay behind the scenes you know

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the kind of be the invisible sort of

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power behind the throne the turbulence

401
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Robert had never really sort of cut the

402
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public biscuit he never really you know

403
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made it applause of one Messiah he

404
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wasn't that good a talker he was a good

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thinker but it wasn't a great talker but

406
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you pointed that organisation is

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changing yes of course I think

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organizations do change and it's

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basically you know a small group like

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that where you got a number of people

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interacting very intensely together and

412
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yes hierarchies and do a nice because

413
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some people are smarter than other

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people some people do some things that

415
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some other people and you know when

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you're trying to organize a situation

417
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you can't put people to do the best

418
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things you know in you know in the

419
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relevant positions so you're bound to

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get hierarchies I think we kind of we

421
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have a sort of

422
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a really negative understanding of

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hierarchies because of the hierarchies

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we know is sort of so badly balanced and

425
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and the authorities often you know don't

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you know aren't don't have our respect

427
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but if you could imagine that the

428
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situation you know where everybody

429
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basically is functioning is optimal if

430
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it what is in the position that they

431
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function best at then there's a

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hierarchy this is the detective

433
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hierarchy and everybody I can't hear you

434
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I hope you can

435
00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:49,400
oh there you go I can hear you again I'm

436
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not sure I'm sorry

437
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listeners for the technical problems

438
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that we're having so did what was it

439
00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:00,470
that that made Mary Ann the special one

440
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was I mean it seems to me that people

441
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were encouraged to sort of look to her

442
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as a goddess and that that's what Robert

443
00:22:17,230 --> 00:22:14,780
saw her as no I know nobody encouraged

444
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anybody to think of her as the Guardians

445
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:19,610
by any means it's actually who's never

446
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talked about in those terms and she was

447
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an extraordinary woman I mean she was

448
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absolutely brilliant I think anybody

449
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:32,630
anybody however did must say just liked

450
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and I just liked her intensity for the

451
00:22:39,159 --> 00:22:37,220
first couple of years know what have to

452
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admit that she was incredibly brilliant

453
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:41,690
she was psychic she was she is one of

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natural psychic intelligences they could

455
00:22:51,490 --> 00:22:47,330
just read somebody and I you know I I

456
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,500
remember taking a very very strange

457
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architects we would do some filming work

458
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together to meet her which is my rash is

459
00:23:02,380 --> 00:22:59,090
I rarely met people from the outside he

460
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was not a believer he'd you know within

461
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20 minutes he was you know she had him

462
00:23:14,890 --> 00:23:10,490
eating out of her hand she's very

463
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persuasive yes nothing was persuasive

464
00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:18,860
but just naturally just naturally just

465
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naturally brilliant gosh it's hard to

466
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describe isn't it because it is quite

467
00:23:30,050 --> 00:23:28,220
rare people like that are quite rare but

468
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they just they just completely

469
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hold onto tension mainly because they

470
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know so much about you and this is

471
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really weather so brilliant because they

472
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can dig underneath the surface and tell

473
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you things about yourself and talk to

474
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you on that level that draws the best of

475
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:48,060
you out it's a wonderful quality and a

476
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very difficult one to keep keep doing

477
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with nothing no obviously you did take

478
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some positive things and there were some

479
00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:02,340
positive experiences and it was it

480
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seemed like a tremendous learning

481
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:07,500
experience but what happened in the end

482
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why did you leave did I think you left

483
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in 1977 advisor of of people going into

484
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these groups if they feel like it

485
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because what it does it allows one to

486
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express and experience a whole series of

487
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different emotion for different

488
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different activities one would never

489
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experience something normal conditions

490
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:37,230
it pushes on to the very limit really

491
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much like people go to war to find out

492
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,260
who they are you know I think spiritual

493
00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:45,120
people you know turn to these small

494
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:47,070
groups in order to find out who they are

495
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:52,400
and yes it was a rich experience but

496
00:24:59,800 --> 00:24:55,370
would you do it again

497
00:25:02,060 --> 00:24:59,810
see if you could go back in time I I

498
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:02,070
can't see a situation where I would ever

499
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:05,280
need to do it again no no no but I mean

500
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:08,280
if you could live your life over again

501
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:11,340
do you feel that largely it was a

502
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:13,260
positive experience and that you learned

503
00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:16,860
a lot I mean I heard you say I think on

504
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another broadcast at struggling it can

505
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:25,140
be good that we need to struggle to

506
00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:28,530
realize the joy and that a lot of times

507
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:31,230
when we suffer pain we realize later

508
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:34,290
that we've received sort of gifts from

509
00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:37,260
that I know you know for instance you

510
00:25:41,530 --> 00:25:38,670
know I lost my daughter

511
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:41,540
ten years ago and it's the most horrible

512
00:25:48,050 --> 00:25:44,010
painful experience

513
00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:48,060
I can imagine one could have but I do

514
00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:52,380
realize over time that I have been given

515
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:54,660
gifts I believe that I'm actually a

516
00:26:00,680 --> 00:25:57,510
better person from having suffered that

517
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,690
pain I'm a much more empathetic person

518
00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:04,080
I'm a much more understanding person I

519
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:06,150
sort of look at people now and you know

520
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:08,010
maybe someone's not acting in a way that

521
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:11,700
I appreciate and I say to myself well I

522
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:13,500
don't know what's going on in their life

523
00:26:17,030 --> 00:26:14,970
you know they I don't know what

524
00:26:20,170 --> 00:26:17,040
struggles that they're going on

525
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:20,180
that they have going on internally so

526
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:23,730
certainly a bad experience can be a

527
00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,940
learning experience nonetheless but do

528
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:29,100
you see it in those terms or do you see

529
00:26:35,030 --> 00:26:33,330
it as largely positive it would be

530
00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:35,040
sleepless Nick I think for me to say

531
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:36,990
that it was largely positive a larger

532
00:26:42,260 --> 00:26:39,900
negative it was it was a bit of

533
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,270
everything but the main thing was it it

534
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,520
took everything to an extreme I mean

535
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:46,740
there was a situation for instance when

536
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:51,330
we were in innings ago and there was a

537
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:53,490
hurricane coming towards us and we were

538
00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:56,490
living on the seashore and we were

539
00:27:00,530 --> 00:26:57,990
warned to leave and everything and we

540
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:00,540
said no we we be sharing the space by

541
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:02,700
our guides and we were going to stay and

542
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:06,900
so we did it and do know that the

543
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:11,400
hurricane came and we did our circle and

544
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:14,490
we talked to our our guides and we also

545
00:27:21,490 --> 00:27:19,410
hearken to to business and it I would

546
00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:21,500
say this fast but it didn't completely

547
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:23,190
bus away

548
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:26,490
you're still here yeah yeah

549
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:28,770
they said fascinating you can now see

550
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:30,930
that you brought up one of the next on

551
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:32,670
Google things you can see coming

552
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:34,530
straight for and though you could jump

553
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:36,810
in into it right love those it just

554
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,790
turns off and goes down the coast and

555
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,460
blows away Santa Cruz you know and I

556
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:43,380
think he killed I was almost 300 people

557
00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:46,890
down there in situations like that are

558
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:50,070
really facing it's interesting facing

559
00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:53,550
death the way and and coming through and

560
00:27:57,370 --> 00:27:55,190
coming up the other side of this and

561
00:28:00,460 --> 00:27:57,380
realizing okay you know

562
00:28:04,539 --> 00:28:00,470
I saw how I reacted in that and I know a

563
00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:04,549
lot about about the the impulse towards

564
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:07,190
death for instance and which I didn't

565
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:10,450
know I had but I came out so the

566
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:13,190
situations like that were tremendously

567
00:28:20,919 --> 00:28:17,260
insightful that's the point I'm making

568
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:20,929
great well you know I know that during

569
00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:24,650
your stay with the organization or

570
00:28:31,299 --> 00:28:27,280
during your time with the organization

571
00:28:33,610 --> 00:28:31,309
you had a near-death experience and I

572
00:28:36,669 --> 00:28:33,620
would really love it if you would get

573
00:28:39,549 --> 00:28:36,679
into that during the second half hour

574
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:39,559
we're gonna take a break here in just a

575
00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:41,750
few seconds and would love to hear about

576
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,620
that and your subsequent research into

577
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:47,360
near-death experiences and it's into the

578
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:50,809
afterlife you are listening to night

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00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:53,840
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580
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00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:17,050
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630
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:20,470
tonight is author Timothy Willie Wiley

631
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:23,350
sorry I am your your host Renee Barnett

632
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:25,510
we've been talking about

633
00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:29,050
Timothy's book love sex fear death the

634
00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:31,540
inside story of the processed Church of

635
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:34,540
the final judgment detailing his 15

636
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:38,500
years with the organization and I know

637
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:42,850
Timothy while you were there you had a

638
00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:45,010
near-death experience you actually died

639
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:48,700
I did and can you tell us a little bit

640
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:51,310
about that experience and in what that

641
00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:52,150
was like

642
00:32:59,220 --> 00:32:56,560
well yes I mean I had this in 1973 and

643
00:33:00,900 --> 00:32:59,230
this was I think two years for the first

644
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:00,910
book came out about near-death

645
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:03,790
experiences so I had no idea what it was

646
00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:06,370
it was it well let me try and describe

647
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:06,760
it

648
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:13,150
myself suggest I was in charge of an

649
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:15,460
organization basically that had to make

650
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:19,570
enormous amounts of money and it was an

651
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:21,610
incredible struggle to keep up on that I

652
00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:23,920
had been assisting wrong about two hours

653
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:27,640
sleep for thirteen thousand two or three

654
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:30,310
years by that time and my lungs had

655
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:34,240
given out I fainted in my office and I

656
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:37,600
kind of dragged myself back to my house

657
00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:40,450
and I drew a bus because I'm the kind of

658
00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:43,000
water person and when I was reading band

659
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:45,520
I generally draw a person and hesitate

660
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:48,910
so anyway got in the bath and within

661
00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:51,610
about seaweed about two minutes or so I

662
00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:53,980
just laid there with my eyes closed next

663
00:34:00,300 --> 00:33:56,020
thing I knew I was I think I stood up

664
00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:00,310
out of my body and I could see down I

665
00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:04,030
could see the earthly things earlier

666
00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:06,820
from dark underneath me and and I still

667
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:09,550
find about 500 feet in the air and and

668
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:13,240
this monorail car consuming up to Bali

669
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,550
and next thing I knew I was inside the

670
00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:18,159
monorail car and about eight or ten of

671
00:34:23,460 --> 00:34:21,100
us in order of condoms a black man

672
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,470
obviously playing the trumpet

673
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:26,560
and new in there's no - we've all we

674
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:28,990
were all dying this was he this is a

675
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:30,370
real group who were dying at the same

676
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:35,020
time kind of always funny I was feeling

677
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:38,220
anyway within a couple of moments and

678
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:42,540
one end of the monologue car sort of

679
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:44,890
they came to choose to the same thing

680
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:46,390
like I could just see sort of a figure

681
00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:49,510
of light at that end and I thought my

682
00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:50,950
mind I said yes you're right

683
00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:54,700
the boy said you are dying but we want

684
00:35:00,600 --> 00:34:57,460
you to know that you completed what you

685
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:00,610
came to do and you can continue what you

686
00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:02,950
want or you could return to your life

687
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,560
and it was told to me members know that

688
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:08,020
you'll do this rapid it wasn't you

689
00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:10,660
should do this or you should do that it

690
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:15,880
was just you want anyway I thought about

691
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:17,740
it a couple of moments and I realized

692
00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:19,150
this is so wonderful

693
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:20,830
notice I went on it was just going to

694
00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:22,750
tell I'm getting more wonderful if I

695
00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:25,060
came back I just didn't know him

696
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:28,660
so some kind of curious me that maybe I

697
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,550
said okay I'll go back and the monocot

698
00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:34,720
dissolved and the next thing I told this

699
00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:36,760
just thanked about Bank about Bank of

700
00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:40,540
Angels they were playing music and music

701
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:42,460
is just absolutely beautiful

702
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:46,240
I heard or I saw that you described it

703
00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:51,070
as boogying angels I looked after they

704
00:36:00,000 --> 00:35:56,200
were bullying yes it was a painter

705
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:00,010
icicle that is working in the 19th

706
00:36:04,770 --> 00:36:02,860
century and got that for Bank of Angels

707
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:04,780
pretty much right anyway next thing I

708
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:09,610
knew I was I was standing over you know

709
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:11,980
was playing and there were mountains in

710
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:13,330
the distance and in the middle of the

711
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:15,850
plane there was this console thing that

712
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:17,950
look survives it's all moving but he was

713
00:36:22,290 --> 00:36:19,870
definitely a building and I became aware

714
00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:22,300
of two figures I decided me I couldn't

715
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,040
see them the big time he was light I

716
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:26,320
could see my the corner of my eye I was

717
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:28,450
drawn across that plane into the

718
00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:31,810
building I was put onto a sort of a I've

719
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:34,360
almost like an operating table I they

720
00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:35,830
there for a few moments and there were

721
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,440
little

722
00:36:42,490 --> 00:36:39,200
guys from skittering all around me and

723
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:42,500
then I could feel sort of that machine

724
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:44,990
so came up over me and then female

725
00:36:50,829 --> 00:36:48,079
health female came up behind me voice in

726
00:36:54,309 --> 00:36:50,839
my mind said this is gonna really hurt

727
00:36:57,099 --> 00:36:54,319
with only gonna last a very short time

728
00:36:59,559 --> 00:36:57,109
and losing team down into my tummy it

729
00:37:03,099 --> 00:36:59,569
went into my a really hurts but it was

730
00:37:06,460 --> 00:37:03,109
only for a short time thank God anyway

731
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:06,470
shut up I was taken out then it was

732
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:08,750
chasing to a place that I was told I

733
00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:11,089
would never remember and I haven't

734
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:13,640
remembered except will never admit read

735
00:37:18,490 --> 00:37:16,280
another person's book who said he has a

736
00:37:21,099 --> 00:37:18,500
somewhat similar experience and he was

737
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:21,109
taken to heaven and yes that that's what

738
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:23,900
that's what it was I was shown heaven it

739
00:37:30,190 --> 00:37:28,430
was now I I read it it was you know just

740
00:37:32,589 --> 00:37:30,200
a local telling anyway and then I

741
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:32,599
thought he slept back into my body choo

742
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,210
choo choo choo choo about 20 minutes all

743
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:38,000
the bath was lukewarm aside been out for

744
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:41,270
about 15 or 20 minutes and I thought out

745
00:37:44,319 --> 00:37:42,050
of my bath

746
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,329
I was healed I was absolutely healthy

747
00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:46,160
and there was a different man has

748
00:37:50,859 --> 00:37:47,960
changed man yeah

749
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,869
now you do hear that people with

750
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:52,880
near-death experiences have done some

751
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:55,250
research into that myself and worked

752
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,640
with the ions organization the

753
00:38:06,730 --> 00:38:01,280
Association for near-death experiencers

754
00:38:09,849 --> 00:38:06,740
and you hear that story a lot most

755
00:38:11,319 --> 00:38:09,859
people and I also read your article on

756
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,329
your website that you wrote about

757
00:38:16,270 --> 00:38:13,280
near-death experiences where you talked

758
00:38:18,910 --> 00:38:16,280
about people's experiences are sort of

759
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:18,920
tailor-made for them if there are some

760
00:38:26,609 --> 00:38:21,849
common elements that most people do have

761
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:26,619
but people's experience they seem to be

762
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:29,599
B according to their own sort of belief

763
00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:33,280
system or according to need yes yes I

764
00:38:38,579 --> 00:38:35,960
think exactly that according to need I

765
00:38:41,819 --> 00:38:38,589
think the the revelation is how

766
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:41,829
individualized it all is what because I

767
00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:45,440
think almost everybody who comes back

768
00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:48,589
and it's told to come back or get the

769
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:50,420
feeling they have to come back

770
00:38:57,579 --> 00:38:54,650
but it's one of the strange things is

771
00:38:59,620 --> 00:38:57,589
that it seems that everybody does have a

772
00:39:01,960 --> 00:38:59,630
particular function everybody has

773
00:39:04,089 --> 00:39:01,970
something that they need to express and

774
00:39:06,130 --> 00:39:04,099
needly to do it was the course of their

775
00:39:08,319 --> 00:39:06,140
lives I mean when I was told I had

776
00:39:10,030 --> 00:39:08,329
completely what I came to do the

777
00:39:12,490 --> 00:39:10,040
implication was that there was something

778
00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:12,500
to do and I think that that's what we

779
00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:14,780
all struggle with you know especially in

780
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:16,430
the age that we're living in you know

781
00:39:21,370 --> 00:39:19,460
which is so much realistic you know in

782
00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:21,380
particular here necessarily you know

783
00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:24,230
just to get a job if you make a lot of

784
00:39:33,579 --> 00:39:31,790
money that's right now you know and if

785
00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:33,589
you're talking about you know people's

786
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:35,980
experiences being according to need

787
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:39,230
occasionally we do hear about someone

788
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:42,049
having a hellish experience you said you

789
00:39:46,589 --> 00:39:44,450
know you went to heaven but we do hear

790
00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:46,599
about these hellish horrifying

791
00:39:56,589 --> 00:39:50,900
experiences what what do you have to say

792
00:40:00,039 --> 00:39:56,599
about those the ones that I've studied

793
00:40:02,140 --> 00:40:00,049
are almost in terribly transitional in

794
00:40:04,270 --> 00:40:02,150
other words people go through hell and

795
00:40:06,099 --> 00:40:04,280
then they come out the other side it's

796
00:40:10,030 --> 00:40:06,109
not like that saying of Nietzsche if you

797
00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:10,040
find yourself in hell keep going yes and

798
00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:11,270
they kind of break through to the other

799
00:40:19,299 --> 00:40:15,950
side I've come across a few that do that

800
00:40:22,510 --> 00:40:19,309
but of course yeah I mean there are

801
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:22,520
heaven in hell realms people who

802
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:25,099
misbehave badly on this you know here

803
00:40:30,549 --> 00:40:28,430
have such a great time on the next the

804
00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:30,559
next plane you know I mean it's all

805
00:40:35,950 --> 00:40:32,680
about learning and if people don't

806
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:35,960
realize that we have to treat people the

807
00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:43,420
position with it are trees just did a

808
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:44,990
way that they have treated people badly

809
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,940
is you know what I mean it's all about

810
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,280
learning it's not about you know go to

811
00:40:56,289 --> 00:40:51,680
hell for eternity it's not to unity it's

812
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,299
about learning yes well you do here most

813
00:41:00,720 --> 00:40:58,400
people that I have heard that have had

814
00:41:03,819 --> 00:41:00,730
these negative experiences they were

815
00:41:04,090 --> 00:41:03,829
life-changing and they they came back

816
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:04,100
and

817
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:07,850
made some some amazing adjustments in

818
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:09,500
their lives in the way that they lived

819
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:11,420
and in in as you said the way they

820
00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:14,540
treated others is the main thing so I

821
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:18,920
guess in some ways that according to you

822
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:21,260
that's what they needed to get the

823
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:24,110
message that was their message and that

824
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:25,700
was the way they were able to receive it

825
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:28,550
possibly oh yes absolutely true I mean

826
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:30,290
um I think you made the point earlier

827
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,130
about and you know you're very sad

828
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:37,760
situation as losing your child and how

829
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:40,310
you know after a while you know so much

830
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:42,170
came out of that you know so much

831
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:44,030
information so much strengths and so

832
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:46,730
much Nunez came out as that and I think

833
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:50,330
this is true for all of us you know we

834
00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:52,310
come up and say these were totally

835
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:54,080
egotistical we think it's all about us

836
00:41:58,450 --> 00:41:56,210
you know and gradually we have to move

837
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,460
out of that frame you know until we see

838
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:01,520
the real world those insistence and you

839
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:03,950
know we like to treat it the way we

840
00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:06,220
treat other people thank you very much

841
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,670
you know it is quite a Harshman in some

842
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,520
cases but of course we're eternal beings

843
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:16,160
it isn't just as one lifetime and that's

844
00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:16,690
it

845
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:26,900
trail do you mind if I throw you a

846
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:30,500
question from the chat room cruzi has

847
00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:32,930
asked when you had your near-death

848
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:34,100
experience

849
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:36,440
did you see spirits and if so were the

850
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:39,740
spirits in human form or animal mystical

851
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:42,440
creatures besides the angels that you

852
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:44,420
saw were you in touch with any other

853
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:50,510
beings yes I did know the people you saw

854
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:53,330
the people on the monorail of course yes

855
00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:55,990
yes but they were not I mean they were

856
00:43:00,460 --> 00:42:58,910
my best understanding of that is they

857
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,470
were like me they were dying at the same

858
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:02,720
time and they were going to continue on

859
00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:05,690
I think that voice had told me I wasn't

860
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:08,120
you know I come to do what I done I've

861
00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:10,280
done what I came to do was addressed to

862
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:12,080
me I don't think it was addressed to the

863
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,700
other people in the in the car and no I

864
00:43:21,329 --> 00:43:18,640
didn't see any

865
00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:21,339
but he denied kind of who were healing

866
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:29,830
me - yes might be kind of little greys

867
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:31,990
you know that's immediately what I

868
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:34,570
thought of when you were describing that

869
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,130
experience that you were taken into this

870
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:42,400
building and you experienced a healing

871
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:43,690
and there were all these little beings

872
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:46,270
scurrying around you working on you

873
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:48,510
that's when you had the really painful

874
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,210
albeit brief experience and immediately

875
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:55,599
I thought of the countless accounts of

876
00:44:01,680 --> 00:43:59,290
people who have claimed to have et

877
00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:01,690
experiences in being you know in a

878
00:44:06,690 --> 00:44:03,820
surgical situation with these little

879
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:06,700
guys around I immediately thought of the

880
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,580
Grays how do you perceive that or

881
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:12,880
explain that if you do it's a very

882
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:17,800
strange concatenation of these two these

883
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:20,050
two constrains you know the angelic on

884
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:21,730
the one hand and the extra pressure on

885
00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:24,310
the other and I think it's because we

886
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:26,980
really don't understand the nature of

887
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:30,250
the giant of dimensions you know the

888
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:31,780
physics is kind of struggling with the

889
00:44:35,849 --> 00:44:34,450
ideas I mentioned but you know unions

890
00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:35,859
and string theory and things like that

891
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:37,630
with the nations are tiny and they're

892
00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:41,230
not really very relevant but actually if

893
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:43,780
I'm visualizes things more sort of like

894
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:46,450
an onion you know with the dimensions

895
00:44:51,570 --> 00:44:48,609
getting finer and finer as you go

896
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:51,580
afterwards I think they're the dye

897
00:44:57,390 --> 00:44:53,890
nation next to ours if you like which is

898
00:44:59,490 --> 00:44:57,400
inhabited you know by by another small

899
00:45:04,140 --> 00:44:59,500
angelic group for Midway Midway

900
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:04,150
creatures or jinn and extraterrestrials

901
00:45:08,609 --> 00:45:06,550
have to come into that frame into that

902
00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:08,619
phase in order to appear in the third

903
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:10,780
dimension let's call that the fourth

904
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:12,010
database and they have to go through

905
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:15,130
that and I think what the experience I

906
00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:17,500
had was within the fourth fourth I

907
00:45:22,829 --> 00:45:20,440
mentioned where there were angels and

908
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:22,839
the extraterrestrials I think that's

909
00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:27,730
probably watch what happens and are you

910
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:30,270
aware of an extraterrestrial presence

911
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:31,619
here

912
00:45:39,769 --> 00:45:36,660
oh yeah yes yes you have that

913
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:39,779
experiences I understand with

914
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:42,049
visitations is that correct

915
00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:46,200
yeah yes i-i've had one or two um yes

916
00:45:50,749 --> 00:45:48,180
I mean we are part of a cosmic family

917
00:45:52,579 --> 00:45:50,759
you know whether we know it or not but

918
00:45:54,469 --> 00:45:52,589
because this plan has been isolated for

919
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,479
such a long time forty two hundred

920
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:56,160
thousand years you know we've another

921
00:46:02,120 --> 00:45:59,819
officer sort of thing galactic tracks

922
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:02,130
you know although we have we haven't

923
00:46:07,789 --> 00:46:05,099
even visited over the over the millennia

924
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,799
but over the last 150 years or so yeah

925
00:46:11,989 --> 00:46:10,140
the other things and things of really

926
00:46:13,999 --> 00:46:11,999
hotting up and i think we're going to be

927
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:14,009
partly we join the Galactic community

928
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:16,200
put it like that and we say within

929
00:46:21,499 --> 00:46:20,249
within our lifetime certainly any you

930
00:46:24,859 --> 00:46:21,509
see that as a positive

931
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,869
oh yes they wants to okay absolutely I

932
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:26,880
mean it's a heritage usage we were never

933
00:46:31,729 --> 00:46:28,950
meant to be isolated I really would like

934
00:46:34,009 --> 00:46:31,739
a child who was locked in a small room

935
00:46:36,529 --> 00:46:34,019
you know and then expected to come to

936
00:46:38,539 --> 00:46:36,539
take care of itself I mean on a normal

937
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,549
planners extraterrestrials come and go

938
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,859
you know everybody knows about angels

939
00:46:44,479 --> 00:46:42,900
people you know working legs items and

940
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,489
everything but we're in this strange

941
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:46,619
position of being isolated along with

942
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:46,950
him

943
00:46:51,739 --> 00:46:49,710
another says this explainers but that's

944
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:51,749
neither here nor there right now well

945
00:46:55,219 --> 00:46:53,609
isolated and we've had to make way for

946
00:46:58,249 --> 00:46:55,229
ourselves we have to discover how to

947
00:47:01,969 --> 00:46:58,259
live for ourselves and we've emerged she

948
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,979
was very strong rather rebellious so

949
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:03,900
very much it not that the rest of me yet

950
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:10,200
mystery is well for me and what do you

951
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:14,640
see happening once this sort of reunion

952
00:47:26,269 --> 00:47:22,079
takes place I didn't like to speculate

953
00:47:28,729 --> 00:47:26,279
too much on that and because I know

954
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:28,739
whatever I speculate God's gonna come up

955
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:30,329
with something like a box for you know a

956
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,400
lot a lot there's no part in it and what

957
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,319
I'd love to see is I'd love to see as

958
00:47:42,049 --> 00:47:40,079
you know rejoining the galactic

959
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:42,059
community you know being part of a much

960
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:45,080
larger frame and being able to know

961
00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:47,530
go to universities on other planets

962
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:51,320
indict other people here and that's what

963
00:47:57,850 --> 00:47:54,050
I'd like to see what do you think we are

964
00:48:00,190 --> 00:47:57,860
isolated and have been isolated we were

965
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:00,200
isolated because the angels who take

966
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:02,090
care of this little segment of the

967
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,560
universe got stroppy and basically

968
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:09,760
rebelled against the the overall

969
00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:13,510
administration as well and angelic

970
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:17,660
trains and as a consequence this system

971
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:22,250
of planets was isolated and the 37

972
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:25,130
planets who identified with an event and

973
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:28,040
were you know we're getting given

974
00:48:37,090 --> 00:48:33,040
particular treatment and we probably the

975
00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:37,100
most I mean statistical because as

976
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:38,840
University three of the such as heaven

977
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:40,070
planets which are even more difficult

978
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:42,740
than ours but were certain this

979
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:44,930
challenging to it that way less

980
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:48,350
challenging of talents and is that

981
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:51,950
because we haven't yet evolved enough I

982
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:54,170
mean I know in comparison to other

983
00:49:01,960 --> 00:48:57,170
planets other galaxies we are a very

984
00:49:05,950 --> 00:49:01,970
very young planet in a young galaxy yes

985
00:49:12,310 --> 00:49:05,960
yes I mean yes we are we are young and

986
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:12,320
yeah I mean I would say most an Android

987
00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:13,480
sort of that there are not

988
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:15,380
extraterrestrials who are excessively

989
00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:17,210
interested in this gender right now I

990
00:49:22,660 --> 00:49:20,180
mean I have reported in a world of round

991
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:22,670
roots and just different sources you

992
00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:25,940
know this is the place to be this is

993
00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:28,040
really big evidence do you have any

994
00:49:35,530 --> 00:49:30,920
insights into whether or not we were a

995
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:35,540
race that was created or intervened with

996
00:49:47,830 --> 00:49:39,410
by extraterrestrials in the in the

997
00:49:49,390 --> 00:49:47,840
saturation under to us know we know we

998
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:49,400
weren't certainly weren't created we've

999
00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:53,180
been very heavily influenced which is

1000
00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:55,400
which is different of course because you

1001
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:56,840
know we still have the basic thing

1002
00:50:04,319 --> 00:49:58,970
inside us in the world

1003
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:07,089
whatever overlays are placed on that

1004
00:50:12,339 --> 00:50:10,609
there's no getting away from it but yeah

1005
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:12,349
it's been a long hard trip and I think

1006
00:50:17,710 --> 00:50:14,089
we're just coming out of the out of the

1007
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:17,720
fog and it's difficult because as we

1008
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:19,849
coming you know as it was coming into

1009
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:22,970
this new frame all the old stuff was

1010
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:24,740
being piling up and hasn't been dealt

1011
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,630
with for the last 200,000 years

1012
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:29,119
it's coming out there in all these sort

1013
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:31,130
of corruption rings finding like boils

1014
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:34,060
on the body you know it's it's a

1015
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:38,089
extruding Council see the world mind if

1016
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:40,609
you like which is why we're seeing all

1017
00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:44,450
these apparent up cents but they're no

1018
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:47,180
cheating problems more than aging the

1019
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:51,650
worst is over another question from the

1020
00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:53,720
chat room cruzi again while Cruz is on a

1021
00:50:59,579 --> 00:50:57,380
roll tonight what type of system do you

1022
00:51:03,220 --> 00:50:59,589
think the Angels are run by ie

1023
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:03,230
government communism utopian or like a

1024
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,680
tier like system angels are created for

1025
00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:12,319
their specific jobs they don't have the

1026
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:15,140
same level of choices that we do they're

1027
00:51:19,089 --> 00:51:16,730
very good at what they do but they're

1028
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:19,099
not off because do things that are not

1029
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:21,740
meant to be doing which is probably why

1030
00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:23,270
they went into the rebellion in the

1031
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:27,230
first place so I didn't think we could

1032
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:31,040
really classify it as any of what we

1033
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:36,950
know as sort of social systems I think

1034
00:51:43,390 --> 00:51:38,780
it's more along the lines but everybody

1035
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,400
does what they do best and everything

1036
00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:46,400
fits in I mean I can kind of visualize

1037
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:48,470
that because I know from my days in the

1038
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:50,210
process even though there were maybe 30

1039
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,480
or 40 of us in certain periods we were

1040
00:51:58,420 --> 00:51:56,000
all doing what we would what we love to

1041
00:52:03,339 --> 00:51:58,430
do and what we did this and then it

1042
00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:03,349
produces a sort of harmony that allows

1043
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:05,780
everything to happen in a very easygoing

1044
00:52:12,140 --> 00:52:10,160
very humorous of a loving way I think

1045
00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:12,150
that's where we're aiming for

1046
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:13,860
I think everybody knows that in that

1047
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:15,630
house and this is the way we treat our

1048
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:18,540
children thank you yes

1049
00:52:26,350 --> 00:52:22,560
should should do I heard you on another

1050
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:26,360
broadcast the host had asked you about

1051
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:30,450
the idea of calling on our angels for

1052
00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:32,520
help and you said oh I don't think

1053
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:34,350
that's a very good idea could you

1054
00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:41,940
explain that yes you know you are sir

1055
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:45,060
and deep questions I have to take a

1056
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:48,660
moment to think about them yes this is a

1057
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:51,420
complex thing you see angels aren't yet

1058
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,940
to make our lives easy they're here to

1059
00:52:59,720 --> 00:52:56,520
help us come to terms with what we need

1060
00:53:03,470 --> 00:52:59,730
to look at what we need to understand in

1061
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:03,480
order to learn and so enter of will win

1062
00:53:07,550 --> 00:53:05,370
quite often guide us into situations

1063
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:07,560
which we might not choose consciously

1064
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:10,920
because they are uncomfortable but we

1065
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:12,390
learn from them and that's what the

1066
00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:14,690
Angels are interested in in just

1067
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:18,360
introducing situations in our lives in

1068
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:21,570
which we can grow and learn and and

1069
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:25,020
develop in spirit for some kind of good

1070
00:53:32,180 --> 00:53:29,090
at people now I have heard people

1071
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,190
reliable people that I know who've had

1072
00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:35,220
an angel experience and it seems that

1073
00:53:41,810 --> 00:53:37,230
although they weren't really calling out

1074
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:41,820
for an angel that an angel did appear at

1075
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:46,980
a time of great emotional grief or upset

1076
00:53:54,860 --> 00:53:51,050
and they came as a very comforting

1077
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:54,870
experience to the person that was

1078
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:57,480
suffering so they weren't actually you

1079
00:54:02,300 --> 00:53:59,130
know trying to direct the angel but the

1080
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:02,310
angel did appear have you heard of those

1081
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:04,320
kind of experiences or had that kind of

1082
00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:08,520
experience oh yes yes of course I mean I

1083
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:11,780
think you I mean it's hard to really

1084
00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:14,850
explain how much we're loved you know

1085
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:16,230
because we didn't really love ourselves

1086
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:18,660
very much so it's hard to really imagine

1087
00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:23,490
how much an angel loves us and yes of

1088
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:25,300
course they're concerned

1089
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:27,340
you know when we are under terrible

1090
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:28,450
situations

1091
00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:33,760
I remember the extraordinary I was on

1092
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:36,790
the track I was chat show at down south

1093
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:39,730
long time and a phone call came in from

1094
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:43,530
a guy elderly guy who was tugboat

1095
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:47,220
commander and he told the story about

1096
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:51,040
dragging a young reporter well think it

1097
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:53,500
was something to do with oil but it was

1098
00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:55,570
a floating platform and he was dragging

1099
00:55:00,690 --> 00:54:57,190
it and there was a storm and there's

1100
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:00,700
about 25 people in the 13th platform so

1101
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:03,130
strong got so bad that he had to cut the

1102
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,010
line otherwise a floating platform would

1103
00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:09,000
have pulled his little boat down with it

1104
00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:14,200
but the audio was still working and he

1105
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:16,630
said he was in tears when he told me

1106
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:17,530
this on the phone

1107
00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:21,070
right oh you know on a radio when he

1108
00:55:25,290 --> 00:55:23,470
said first practice hear them screaming

1109
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:25,300
and then the screaming stopped and there

1110
00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:30,010
was no an old track starting look like

1111
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,120
oh my god my god and people think

1112
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:36,160
they're angel the angels are all around

1113
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:38,950
us how the angel all around us news

1114
00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:41,920
crying I mean this was a hard guy you

1115
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:44,740
know and he being totally changed and

1116
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:47,920
riveted by the story that happened to

1117
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:49,480
Mars I mean I'm showing this plane that

1118
00:55:56,790 --> 00:55:53,020
went down I'm sure at some point this

1119
00:56:01,470 --> 00:55:56,800
last microseconds angels were there with

1120
00:56:04,170 --> 00:56:01,480
four people in that plane even if they

1121
00:56:05,850 --> 00:56:04,180
were still in their bodies I mean it's

1122
00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:05,860
quite good evidence that people leave

1123
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:09,670
their bodies well before a plane hits

1124
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:12,010
the ground under those situations yes

1125
00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:15,000
for the scream nation of them

1126
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:18,550
yes let's hope let's hope I remember a

1127
00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:20,410
story that was in the news here in the

1128
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:23,980
United States several years ago it was

1129
00:56:29,310 --> 00:56:25,960
here in California in Northern

1130
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:29,320
California I believe where a couple of

1131
00:56:37,499 --> 00:56:33,460
people burst into a school it was a

1132
00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:37,509
preschool or very very young children

1133
00:56:43,769 --> 00:56:40,119
and they ended up setting off a bomb

1134
00:56:47,129 --> 00:56:43,779
inside and there was a tremendous fire

1135
00:56:49,399 --> 00:56:47,139
and somehow the only people that ended

1136
00:56:52,709 --> 00:56:49,409
up killed were the people that actually

1137
00:56:55,979 --> 00:56:52,719
perpetrated the crime but the children

1138
00:56:59,219 --> 00:56:55,989
all reported that the room was

1139
00:57:01,049 --> 00:56:59,229
surrounded by angels and they knew that

1140
00:57:05,459 --> 00:57:01,059
they were going to be all right

1141
00:57:07,709 --> 00:57:05,469
and it was pretty amazing you know it's

1142
00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:07,719
out of the mouths of babes you know how

1143
00:57:15,449 --> 00:57:11,380
would they have that even context to to

1144
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:15,459
report so just another just another one

1145
00:57:23,849 --> 00:57:18,880
of those experiences that people have

1146
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:23,859
had now are there I'm never going to

1147
00:57:27,449 --> 00:57:25,089
take a break in just about another

1148
00:57:30,179 --> 00:57:27,459
minute and a half but are there the

1149
00:57:32,189 --> 00:57:30,189
different levels of angels I mean we

1150
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:32,199
hear about the Archangels so that

1151
00:57:38,279 --> 00:57:35,049
everyone's familiar with and then you're

1152
00:57:41,249 --> 00:57:38,289
talking about angels that have a job to

1153
00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:41,259
do are there different levels

1154
00:57:47,789 --> 00:57:43,630
yes you up there are many many different

1155
00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:47,799
types of angels in terms of the angels

1156
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:50,380
of the future you know who kind of very

1157
00:57:59,189 --> 00:57:54,249
gently guide you know guide the human

1158
00:58:03,829 --> 00:57:59,199
population into their next step yeah and

1159
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:03,839
everybody has guardian angels of course

1160
00:58:09,149 --> 00:58:06,249
so there's probably more angels on this

1161
00:58:10,969 --> 00:58:09,159
time there are people all right well we

1162
00:58:14,249 --> 00:58:10,979
will talk a little bit more about that

1163
00:58:15,989 --> 00:58:14,259
when we get back I'd love to speak a

1164
00:58:19,049 --> 00:58:15,999
little bit about guardian angels and

1165
00:58:22,589 --> 00:58:19,059
then definitely getting to your book

1166
00:58:25,409 --> 00:58:22,599
series on rebel angels and what exactly

1167
00:58:27,899 --> 00:58:25,419
that means so we are going to take a

1168
00:58:30,989 --> 00:58:27,909
quick break and we'll be back in just a

1169
00:58:58,049 --> 00:58:30,999
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1170
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:02,020
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1213
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1217
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:54,570
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1218
01:01:58,290 --> 01:01:56,410
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1219
01:02:01,710 --> 01:01:58,300
Barnett we're talking with author

1220
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:01,720
Timothy Wylie we've been talking about

1221
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:04,930
his experiences with angels during the

1222
01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:05,890
last half hour

1223
01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:08,260
also his NDE experience which also

1224
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:12,070
encompasses the angels subject just a

1225
01:02:18,810 --> 01:02:16,240
few more questions well actually I'd

1226
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:18,820
like to get into your idea about rebel

1227
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:21,520
angels I know you've written a whole

1228
01:02:27,090 --> 01:02:24,250
series of books on that can you explain

1229
01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:27,100
to us what is a rebel angel is that the

1230
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:31,180
same thing as a fallen angel yeah yeah

1231
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:36,160
pretty much yeah I mean the the

1232
01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:38,170
disagreement the angelic rebellion if

1233
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:39,790
you like that I talked about earlier

1234
01:02:47,550 --> 01:02:44,410
that happened you know as I said two

1235
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:47,560
hundred three thousand years ago told a

1236
01:02:54,330 --> 01:02:51,040
lot of angels along with it and these

1237
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:54,340
became you know known and has the rebel

1238
01:03:00,300 --> 01:02:58,570
angels now what has happened to the

1239
01:03:03,210 --> 01:03:00,310
rebel angels of course is another matter

1240
01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:03,220
entirely and that's what the books I am

1241
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:05,860
writing together with a revelation or

1242
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:07,890
discounted Webber angel what I mean

1243
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:10,990
basically and kind of working with

1244
01:03:17,810 --> 01:03:16,270
robots 15 or 20 years now and over the

1245
01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:17,820
last four or five years have been

1246
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:20,350
producing these collaborative books and

1247
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:22,540
she's basically telling her story she

1248
01:03:26,220 --> 01:03:23,950
came to this planet thousand million

1249
01:03:29,730 --> 01:03:26,230
years ago with one of the first of the

1250
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:29,740
interventions and so she has been able

1251
01:03:37,890 --> 01:03:34,150
to see into the whole the whole spectrum

1252
01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:37,900
of of a sort of you know fall from grace

1253
01:03:43,650 --> 01:03:40,870
that you like because the repair when

1254
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:43,660
the rebellion hit most of the angels who

1255
01:03:48,860 --> 01:03:46,210
took care of this planet actually sided

1256
01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:48,870
with the rebels so you know we've been

1257
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:51,430
you know one of the really our title

1258
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:55,210
rebellious planners and what was the

1259
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:00,299
rebellion about it was about

1260
01:04:07,709 --> 01:04:04,809
responsibility and freedom of choice the

1261
01:04:11,999 --> 01:04:07,719
radial universe is organized in istria

1262
01:04:14,670 --> 01:04:12,009
bridges and when you get to them this

1263
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:14,680
level if you like where we're just kind

1264
01:04:22,349 --> 01:04:16,960
of emerging from icons animal in our

1265
01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:22,359
heritage the angels who are who take

1266
01:04:26,759 --> 01:04:24,190
care of us have to be pretty broad

1267
01:04:29,549 --> 01:04:26,769
minded have to be pretty easygoing in a

1268
01:04:31,739 --> 01:04:29,559
way that interest angels aren't and I

1269
01:04:32,489 --> 01:04:31,749
think probably you know they time for

1270
01:04:35,489 --> 01:04:32,499
anything else

1271
01:04:37,769 --> 01:04:35,499
you know we should do not better if we

1272
01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:37,779
were on our own you know we don't need a

1273
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:39,729
centralized command anymore you know

1274
01:04:44,339 --> 01:04:41,410
what down here these guys don't know

1275
01:04:49,499 --> 01:04:44,349
what we have to go through that kind of

1276
01:04:51,749 --> 01:04:49,509
thing so it was about was it a rebellion

1277
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:51,759
against the system with a rebellion

1278
01:05:01,380 --> 01:04:56,799
against God you know what are we to

1279
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:01,390
think about these rebel angels well if

1280
01:05:07,819 --> 01:05:03,910
it's yeah what we just expansion it's a

1281
01:05:10,499 --> 01:05:07,829
contact thing I mean just to give away

1282
01:05:13,229 --> 01:05:10,509
give away the basic secrets as the books

1283
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:13,239
that I'm writing is it what is happening

1284
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:15,249
to the rebel angels is attained being

1285
01:05:21,959 --> 01:05:17,950
given the opportunity of incarnating as

1286
01:05:26,539 --> 01:05:21,969
human beings and living out a life on

1287
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:26,549
the planet such as this died under the

1288
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,650
auspices of the decisions they made sin

1289
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:31,839
on their so they're given to be they're

1290
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:33,390
being given the challenge that you like

1291
01:05:39,329 --> 01:05:37,089
to redeem themselves and also in

1292
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:39,339
redeeming themselves they're able to

1293
01:05:48,509 --> 01:05:45,210
influence you know the planets growth in

1294
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:48,519
virtual understanding you know but it's

1295
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:51,039
a long it's a long such I'm sorry

1296
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:54,670
take control of my captain's now I hear

1297
01:06:00,420 --> 01:05:57,609
him every now and then I know I know

1298
01:06:03,089 --> 01:06:00,430
it's just a kitten and he just likes to

1299
01:06:03,779 --> 01:06:03,099
destroy everything we love her we love

1300
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:03,789
our animals

1301
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:07,569
oh we do my god wasn't so much in there

1302
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:11,680
yeah so it's my understanding that the

1303
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:13,210
rebel angels aren't and

1304
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:15,610
manikin our incarnation as human beings

1305
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:19,390
it's I think I had one angel saying that

1306
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:21,970
squeezing a angel into a human being is

1307
01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:24,880
like squeezing a rainbow into a

1308
01:06:30,660 --> 01:06:28,150
coca-cola bottle it takes a lot of

1309
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:30,670
incarnations in order to sort of get get

1310
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:34,210
being so kind of ready to you know to

1311
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:37,330
take on a human incarnation because it's

1312
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:40,480
it's not easy down here on easier

1313
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:44,890
especially for an angel and when these

1314
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:51,760
angels incarnate are they aware no no no

1315
01:06:57,060 --> 01:06:53,890
because part of the bargain is you live

1316
01:06:59,280 --> 01:06:57,070
your life is v all right that's what you

1317
01:07:01,920 --> 01:06:59,290
have to do but we're getting to a stage

1318
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:01,930
now where it actually is more important

1319
01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:04,240
than they that they wake up to who they

1320
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:05,860
are because they can be much much more

1321
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:09,370
value and the lessons I'm getting some

1322
01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:12,400
people are sharing me is that by knowing

1323
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:15,070
who they are they come to peace inside

1324
01:07:21,180 --> 01:07:17,610
themselves with this sort of pressure

1325
01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:21,190
but there's a lot of them you know well

1326
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:24,280
in fueling effect feeling that they hear

1327
01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:26,020
the coffee did something terribly wrong

1328
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:28,590
or terribly bad or something like that I

1329
01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:32,890
mean that's what got me going you know

1330
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:35,320
when I started realizing you know how

1331
01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:39,490
deeply flawed I was I was what got me

1332
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:41,710
sort of interested and I think that's

1333
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:43,330
probably what propels a lot of people

1334
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:45,220
into trying to understand who they are

1335
01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:49,900
why not here so it's quite possible that

1336
01:07:56,370 --> 01:07:51,670
someone listening to this show right now

1337
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,380
is an angel and doesn't know it yes I

1338
01:08:01,560 --> 01:07:58,000
would imagine there were quite a number

1339
01:08:05,580 --> 01:08:01,570
of them because this sort of program and

1340
01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:05,590
this sort of realm of interest you know

1341
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:08,740
and draws a lot of them in because of

1342
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:11,290
course you know that they had sort of

1343
01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:13,990
very very you know ancient sort of

1344
01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:17,230
memories of the spiritual life in a way

1345
01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:21,790
that most people don't have and if

1346
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,020
someone is it's having trouble sort of

1347
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:27,600
being human

1348
01:08:33,070 --> 01:08:30,480
and has an idea that there might be

1349
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:33,080
something more to it or more to them

1350
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:37,290
what what would one look for in order to

1351
01:08:46,670 --> 01:08:40,710
come to terms with finding out that you

1352
01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:46,680
are a being an angelic being there seem

1353
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:48,510
to be a certain number of common

1354
01:08:55,670 --> 01:08:52,650
denominators one is it the gender had

1355
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:55,680
very difficult childhoods in other words

1356
01:08:59,360 --> 01:08:57,000
they have to meet with lots of

1357
01:09:01,580 --> 01:08:59,370
challenges very young and one of the

1358
01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:01,590
reasons for this is to strengthen the

1359
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:04,470
emotional body because angels have

1360
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:06,930
rather weak emotional bodies because

1361
01:09:12,290 --> 01:09:09,060
they didn't need the strong emotional

1362
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:12,300
bodies because they don't have many

1363
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:15,570
choices to face we face choices every

1364
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:17,580
second of the day we need a strong

1365
01:09:24,910 --> 01:09:21,330
emotional bodies so generally speaking

1366
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:24,920
rather difficult childhoods they feel

1367
01:09:29,330 --> 01:09:27,540
there's a difference from their friends

1368
01:09:32,420 --> 01:09:29,340
they generally not understood by their

1369
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:32,430
parents also Nevers and sisters don't

1370
01:09:41,420 --> 01:09:36,660
understand them sometimes they they may

1371
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:41,430
have an autistic aspect to them they're

1372
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:44,370
generally they are just you know into

1373
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:51,570
the arts did you say artistic or

1374
01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:56,510
autistic some have an autistic perspect

1375
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:01,080
and then I also said that the doors of

1376
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:05,520
the Arts Oh interesting so both yes yes

1377
01:10:14,570 --> 01:10:06,450
yes

1378
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:14,580
they have this autistic aspect because

1379
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:19,320
they're not entirely human and a lot of

1380
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:21,420
times when you hear about autism or

1381
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:24,210
aspects of it's like Asperger's syndrome

1382
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:29,760
it is sort of the human feelings and the

1383
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:33,050
human emotions that are not quite what

1384
01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:37,920
we would term normal yes yes exactly as

1385
01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:40,710
you as purchase things you know you can

1386
01:10:45,380 --> 01:10:42,900
the incredible brilliance of certain

1387
01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:45,390
things yes that was a long way but yes I

1388
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:48,780
mean I mean from my own personal thing I

1389
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,120
know for instance that she took me at

1390
01:10:55,970 --> 01:10:54,719
least three to five hundred lifetimes to

1391
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:55,980
get here

1392
01:11:00,620 --> 01:10:58,290
and these aren't just lifetimes on this

1393
01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:00,630
planet lifetimes on on a series of other

1394
01:11:05,690 --> 01:11:03,420
planets as well so this was the

1395
01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:05,700
conditioning process necessary to be

1396
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,550
able to live in this under these

1397
01:11:11,959 --> 01:11:10,560
conditions because usually what goes

1398
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:11,969
with the three diverse choice and what

1399
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:15,810
goes with the emotional strength is any

1400
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:24,060
credibly strong emotional unless massive

1401
01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:26,489
you like you know the astral for

1402
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:28,980
instance here is really really a fob you

1403
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,610
place because there's so much after all

1404
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:35,040
four forms are so many emotionally

1405
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:37,860
powerful forms extraterrestrial find it

1406
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:39,540
very hard to be done yeah I mean the

1407
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:41,580
first one I became when I know that just

1408
01:11:47,420 --> 01:11:44,580
after the war could only be here for ten

1409
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:47,430
minutes they lasted ten minutes before

1410
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:51,450
he can listen and you know so we say

1411
01:11:54,729 --> 01:11:53,489
well why didn't they land on the white

1412
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:54,739
house below on what they did actually

1413
01:12:02,330 --> 01:11:58,530
but it's because it's pretty generally

1414
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:02,340
comfortable I hope you don't mind a

1415
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:06,690
rather direct question are you a rebel

1416
01:12:18,110 --> 01:12:11,130
angel is a direct question isn't it yes

1417
01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:18,120
I am I knew it and how did you come to

1418
01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:20,100
terms with that how did how was that

1419
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:23,940
reveal to you it's been a long process

1420
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:30,360
so was it like a slow realization well

1421
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:33,090
it started as I said it started back

1422
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:35,850
when I was in my twenties with really

1423
01:12:41,209 --> 01:12:37,730
kind of trying to come to terms with

1424
01:12:43,940 --> 01:12:41,219
because in those days LSD was legalized

1425
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:43,950
and a lot of us you know who are

1426
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:46,620
interested investigating ourselves you

1427
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:51,120
know you use diversity and I think the

1428
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:52,860
first four or five trips I took were

1429
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:54,540
absolutely hellish it

1430
01:12:59,690 --> 01:12:57,420
terrible sentence my girlfriend was next

1431
01:13:02,900 --> 01:12:59,700
to me having the time of my life so I

1432
01:13:05,930 --> 01:13:02,910
know what's going on you know why would

1433
01:13:09,020 --> 01:13:05,940
I have these trifles portraits and for

1434
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:09,030
that that's what got me interest is and

1435
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:10,890
then I started realizing how damaged

1436
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:14,520
I've been in the war and you know then

1437
01:13:20,060 --> 01:13:16,680
why should I why did I choose to go into

1438
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:20,070
a war you know and once you stop asking

1439
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:21,480
these questions you get deeper and

1440
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:24,210
deeper deeper and you start realizing

1441
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:26,730
and then I think I was in my forties

1442
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:29,370
when I started getting an understanding

1443
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:32,490
of the angelic rebellion and then

1444
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:34,890
everything started sitting together and

1445
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:37,020
this particular rebel angel will I call

1446
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:40,110
Georgia who's been working with me I she

1447
01:13:45,020 --> 01:13:41,370
tells me now for three or four

1448
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:45,030
incarnations and she was the angel who

1449
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:48,360
actually held me when I was under the

1450
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:50,130
bombs and the war I would leave my body

1451
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:53,010
and she would take care of me I didn't I

1452
01:13:56,660 --> 01:13:54,330
didn't know anything about this on so

1453
01:13:58,970 --> 01:13:56,670
many years later but that was my first

1454
01:14:03,080 --> 01:13:58,980
kind of introduction to angels if you

1455
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:03,090
like now this this woman Georgia who you

1456
01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:06,750
say is an angel a rebel angel

1457
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:11,340
she's an incarnated person no no she's

1458
01:14:18,380 --> 01:14:13,320
looks at this guy she doesn't have a

1459
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:18,390
physical body you don't see her but you

1460
01:14:23,210 --> 01:14:20,580
are able to communicate well that's her

1461
01:14:26,210 --> 01:14:23,220
yes she comes I feel a standing behind

1462
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:26,220
me you know sometimes she has a hands on

1463
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:30,120
my shoulders and and you know she

1464
01:14:33,470 --> 01:14:31,890
basically Genuity comes up with the

1465
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,480
concept you know should come up with a

1466
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:36,000
statement or so come up with a sentence

1467
01:14:42,620 --> 01:14:39,830
or you know what discuss it a little bit

1468
01:14:45,260 --> 01:14:42,630
and then she says actually uses my hands

1469
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:45,270
to write I mean I'm not a medium per se

1470
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:46,710
it's more of a discussion it's like

1471
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,530
having a friend but he's taking about I

1472
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:51,780
was taking I think 15 years to get to a

1473
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,400
point where we can trust each other

1474
01:14:58,940 --> 01:14:55,440
enough because it's awful to begin with

1475
01:15:02,960 --> 01:14:58,950
and that's why it's getting crazy so you

1476
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:02,970
don't you don't really call your work

1477
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:06,120
with her a channeled material because

1478
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:07,530
you feel you're just communicating with

1479
01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:08,130
someone

1480
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:10,590
yeah it's more collaboration it's more

1481
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:12,510
yeah it's like celebrating with somebody

1482
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:16,640
I see that's really interesting and

1483
01:15:21,380 --> 01:15:18,900
before we get too much further because

1484
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,390
we've only got about 15 minutes left in

1485
01:15:27,170 --> 01:15:24,060
the show I want to let everyone know how

1486
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:27,180
to get your books for one thing you can

1487
01:15:35,050 --> 01:15:29,820
go to Timothy's website that's Timothy

1488
01:15:36,260 --> 01:15:35,060
Wiley and that spelled w-why ll ie

1489
01:15:39,020 --> 01:15:36,270
dot-com

1490
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:39,030
Timothy Wiley calm you can also find

1491
01:15:44,420 --> 01:15:42,900
them on amazon.com I've seen when I was

1492
01:15:47,290 --> 01:15:44,430
looking through the materials today I

1493
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:47,300
saw that they're widely distributed so

1494
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:50,130
but do have a look at Timothy's website

1495
01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:53,130
because I would urge you to take a look

1496
01:15:58,940 --> 01:15:55,740
at his artwork it's absolutely amazing

1497
01:16:00,260 --> 01:15:58,950
and gorgeous so I would definitely

1498
01:16:02,540 --> 01:16:00,270
recommend you have a look at that

1499
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:02,550
there's some great articles there as

1500
01:16:08,780 --> 01:16:05,610
well I read something really interesting

1501
01:16:12,170 --> 01:16:08,790
today on and E's that you wrote Timothy

1502
01:16:16,460 --> 01:16:12,180
and I really appreciate that that was

1503
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:16,470
very very well well done now Lorraine in

1504
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:19,190
the chatroom is asking is there Arthur

1505
01:16:27,460 --> 01:16:22,710
circumstances in which your angel cannot

1506
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:31,550
angels can to turn away from moments of

1507
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:39,540
intimacy but no I do think I mean put it

1508
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:41,910
this way angels are with us all the time

1509
01:16:48,650 --> 01:16:44,790
right we kind of chef we share our

1510
01:16:52,820 --> 01:16:48,660
angels and when we need them they're

1511
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:52,830
there for that way so you know we make

1512
01:16:59,720 --> 01:16:57,570
our choices we make our decisions we

1513
01:17:02,150 --> 01:16:59,730
just we have made them because they tell

1514
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:02,160
us to make them you know we make them

1515
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:04,770
because they shoot us and then we have

1516
01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:06,120
to take the consequence and so yeah

1517
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:08,340
there was a you know all the time

1518
01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:12,600
basically now you say you know there we

1519
01:17:18,530 --> 01:17:14,340
sort of share them but they're there

1520
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:18,540
when we need them so in other words if

1521
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:20,820
they're off doing something else helping

1522
01:17:26,540 --> 01:17:21,840
someone else or

1523
01:17:28,580 --> 01:17:26,550
and someone else's area they still know

1524
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,590
when we need them they still know when

1525
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:31,440
when it's time for them to step up and

1526
01:17:38,690 --> 01:17:36,410
and show up oh yes yes no I think

1527
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:38,700
according to Georgia they live in a kind

1528
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:42,560
of different time timeframe than we do

1529
01:17:49,580 --> 01:17:45,960
and I mean I can give you an example for

1530
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:49,590
instance when I was 17 I my first car

1531
01:17:53,210 --> 01:17:51,170
was just over one of those little

1532
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,220
personal dishes where the French cars

1533
01:17:58,570 --> 01:17:55,920
and I was driving with my girlfriend out

1534
01:18:01,570 --> 01:17:58,580
in the country coming down the hill and

1535
01:18:03,710 --> 01:18:01,580
another car observed in front of me

1536
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:03,720
taking from the right-hand side to the

1537
01:18:09,170 --> 01:18:06,510
bottom of the hill and I had to swerve

1538
01:18:11,630 --> 01:18:09,180
to avoid running searching to the person

1539
01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:11,640
killing the person and our car went over

1540
01:18:19,370 --> 01:18:15,060
and over and over and smashed smashed

1541
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:19,380
down like a pancake and Jenny and I was

1542
01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:22,020
throwing out now anyone who knows it

1543
01:18:27,580 --> 01:18:23,460
they're sure though those are the

1544
01:18:33,950 --> 01:18:31,430
somehow somehow like the operation I was

1545
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:33,960
thrown out in different directions you

1546
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:38,690
know I I came to know wheels was opened

1547
01:18:48,380 --> 01:18:44,210
and I had no I didn't know it could be

1548
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:48,390
that guy no idea until I was in my

1549
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:51,570
forties or sisters and I found out that

1550
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:54,120
I was actually pulled out by a couple of

1551
01:19:00,490 --> 01:18:57,480
all welcome Midway creatures the group

1552
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:00,500
of angels would have midway between the

1553
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:04,800
in a guardian angel level and our level

1554
01:19:09,140 --> 01:19:07,280
and they can interact with us they can

1555
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:09,150
get into our ranch

1556
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:11,130
angel basically conquered into our

1557
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:12,930
reality they can get to into our

1558
01:19:19,130 --> 01:19:15,810
imaginations but they can't get into 3d

1559
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:19,140
reality these big rigs just can't get

1560
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:20,970
into the 3d reality and they were the

1561
01:19:26,210 --> 01:19:25,380
ones who pulled me out so yeah now

1562
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:26,220
innocent

1563
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:30,410
angelic hierarchy the angels are above

1564
01:19:35,569 --> 01:19:32,970
above humans right a level above human

1565
01:19:39,220 --> 01:19:35,579
not to use a Marshall Applewhite term

1566
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:39,230
but the angels are a level above human

1567
01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:43,679
or I I avoid the idea were they just

1568
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:44,550
different

1569
01:19:51,379 --> 01:19:49,679
better way of seeing it in fact you know

1570
01:19:54,260 --> 01:19:51,389
we had something the angels don't have

1571
01:19:57,260 --> 01:19:54,270
the angels aren't indwelt by the God we

1572
01:19:58,669 --> 01:19:57,270
are mortals aren't well but a god that's

1573
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,679
why the angel said of us

1574
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:00,960
they said us because were to drop out

1575
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:03,329
the gods but they said they will serve

1576
01:20:08,780 --> 01:20:06,420
they will not so we're very special I

1577
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:08,790
mean no we have a terrible low opinion

1578
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:11,400
of myself but we know when we get out

1579
01:20:15,250 --> 01:20:13,530
there when we get out of our bodies we

1580
01:20:17,780 --> 01:20:15,260
find them with very highly regarded

1581
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:17,790
because we've been able to survive in

1582
01:20:27,729 --> 01:20:21,679
this incredible situation you know

1583
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:27,739
that's amazing you know beans people are

1584
01:20:35,089 --> 01:20:31,199
beings on other planets do they have the

1585
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:35,099
same types of interactions with angelic

1586
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:38,699
creatures yes extraterrestrials have

1587
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:41,489
angels - yes absolutely I mean

1588
01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:42,960
definitely looking at it is to realize

1589
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:45,150
that the universe is kind of divided

1590
01:20:51,530 --> 01:20:49,050
into two enormous sort of terms of

1591
01:20:54,919 --> 01:20:51,540
reference your like mercy outside world

1592
01:20:58,100 --> 01:20:54,929
the external walls you know of the

1593
01:21:00,530 --> 01:20:58,110
extraterrestrials we can touch and feel

1594
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:00,540
and smell and there is the inner world

1595
01:21:06,290 --> 01:21:03,570
or the angels now the universe is

1596
01:21:09,649 --> 01:21:06,300
organized from the inner world right

1597
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:09,659
and facilitated by the constant world by

1598
01:21:14,319 --> 01:21:12,090
the denizens of the outer world so where

1599
01:21:16,819 --> 01:21:14,329
if you like the hands of the angels

1600
01:21:26,030 --> 01:21:16,829
those are the organizing principles

1601
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:26,040
behind the universe and Lorraine asks

1602
01:21:34,069 --> 01:21:28,110
another question from the chat room and

1603
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:34,079
she said if if angels let's see what was

1604
01:21:36,589 --> 01:21:35,489
the question here I got a scroll but

1605
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:36,599
sorry about that

1606
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:40,409
if angels can be reborn as a human can a

1607
01:21:45,290 --> 01:21:43,290
demon be reborn as human we haven't

1608
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:45,300
gotten into demons at all are there such

1609
01:21:51,870 --> 01:21:48,820
things as demons no

1610
01:21:56,419 --> 01:21:51,880
Kingman's there are settings of source

1611
01:22:02,370 --> 01:21:56,429
forms right and sort phones can manifest

1612
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:02,380
as as demonic aspect but this is I think

1613
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:05,409
as demons per se that's all forms are

1614
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:10,510
very easy to to get rid of if one you

1615
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:13,449
know loves them from heart one sends a

1616
01:22:16,530 --> 01:22:14,530
beam from the heart

1617
01:22:18,990 --> 01:22:16,540
once and dissipates a forceful very

1618
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:19,000
easily so that other such things with

1619
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:22,860
demons and then give instant incarnate

1620
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:25,770
less human demon nothing like that

1621
01:22:35,370 --> 01:22:32,180
now I you know we've talked about your

1622
01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:35,380
series on rebel angels that you've

1623
01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:37,780
written now what is it can you tell us a

1624
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:39,460
little bit about your very latest book

1625
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:43,810
and sort of what's what that's about and

1626
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:46,030
then we'd like to know what it is that

1627
01:22:52,979 --> 01:22:50,800
you're up to next well and you're doing

1628
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:52,989
I got two streams that looks out at the

1629
01:22:59,160 --> 01:22:56,530
moment the rebel angel books and the

1630
01:23:03,060 --> 01:22:59,170
latest one came out about two months ago

1631
01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:03,070
as for rebel angels in exile and then

1632
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:05,949
the book that is in that series is

1633
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:08,489
claimed to be coming out next year is

1634
01:23:13,229 --> 01:23:12,310
called also called wisdom of the watcher

1635
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:13,239
innocence right

1636
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:16,090
mm another one coming out after that and

1637
01:23:19,950 --> 01:23:18,250
so I've written eight of them I don't

1638
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,960
know it's a top surface is really going

1639
01:23:23,729 --> 01:23:22,239
to be patient and generous enough to do

1640
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,739
the whole eight but we'll see

1641
01:23:27,899 --> 01:23:26,320
it's commissioned tonight so far and

1642
01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:27,909
then the other stream is the healings

1643
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:30,670
proposition which is the book that came

1644
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:33,610
to me as a piece of automatic writing in

1645
01:23:40,109 --> 01:23:38,710
the late 70s and I decided that it was

1646
01:23:43,470 --> 01:23:40,119
such an interesting story that I was

1647
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:43,480
illustrated and which I've done and it's

1648
01:23:47,129 --> 01:23:46,030
taken me six years a 30-year book oh

1649
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:47,139
it's beautiful

1650
01:23:53,339 --> 01:23:49,210
now there's there's pictures of that

1651
01:23:55,020 --> 01:23:53,349
book on your website and I was looking

1652
01:23:57,629 --> 01:23:55,030
at looking at that it looks like a

1653
01:24:00,060 --> 01:23:57,639
beautiful piece it's sort of like

1654
01:24:02,459 --> 01:24:00,070
something you know you'd want to have in

1655
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:02,469
your collection I hope so

1656
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,830
I mean it was a labor of love I mean I

1657
01:24:10,770 --> 01:24:07,360
did it because they just absolutely love

1658
01:24:14,010 --> 01:24:10,780
love doing it and you know it's a it's a

1659
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:14,020
it's a fable it's a cosmic stable that

1660
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,710
you likes about you know another look at

1661
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:19,600
the creation is you know through just

1662
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:24,070
viewpoint interesting decent works yeah

1663
01:24:31,950 --> 01:24:27,130
it's it's beautiful just beautiful on

1664
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:31,960
you is your artwork for sale III I

1665
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:36,010
cannot - I worked out when I was young

1666
01:24:41,790 --> 01:24:38,710
that if I wanted to be a musician I

1667
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:41,800
doesn't not be I want to get paid for it

1668
01:24:45,810 --> 01:24:43,570
and I have the same sense about my

1669
01:24:48,209 --> 01:24:45,820
artwork I consider myself basically a

1670
01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:48,219
visual artist you know who just happens

1671
01:24:52,770 --> 01:24:50,590
and so all this stuff because I got

1672
01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:52,780
interested in non-human intelligences

1673
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:55,150
you know in dolphin intelligence and

1674
01:25:00,540 --> 01:24:57,250
extraterrestrial intelligence but I'm

1675
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:00,550
basically a visual artist signed up to

1676
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:02,110
do you know I

1677
01:25:07,709 --> 01:25:05,530
we didn't even have time you know to get

1678
01:25:10,050 --> 01:25:07,719
into your studies of dolphin

1679
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:10,060
intelligence but it was interesting

1680
01:25:15,870 --> 01:25:12,810
today I just happened to run across

1681
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:15,880
something on someone else's Facebook

1682
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:18,250
page I don't even remember whose page it

1683
01:25:24,689 --> 01:25:21,760
was but they had a picture of a human

1684
01:25:27,450 --> 01:25:24,699
brain next to a dolphin's brain and the

1685
01:25:31,410 --> 01:25:27,460
Dolphins brain was like twice as big at

1686
01:25:33,229 --> 01:25:31,420
least as the human brain then I thought

1687
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:33,239
that was quite interesting

1688
01:25:38,370 --> 01:25:35,710
well they've managed to exist you know

1689
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:38,380
for 35 million years and they haven't

1690
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,110
destroyed themselves and they're highly

1691
01:25:44,670 --> 01:25:43,120
intelligent but you know they place

1692
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:44,680
their intelligence much more in the

1693
01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:47,440
heart of the body realms they're much

1694
01:25:53,370 --> 01:25:51,100
more facile in that area because waters

1695
01:25:55,770 --> 01:25:53,380
you know water is a great medium for

1696
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:55,780
leading the body and it's Gianluigi

1697
01:26:02,540 --> 01:25:58,690
Scarlets so they're much more active in

1698
01:26:06,150 --> 01:26:02,550
the heart of the body realms hmm

1699
01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:06,160
interesting and in were able to spend

1700
01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:10,630
time with the dolphins yes I I was lucky

1701
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:12,460
because now it's much more difficult to

1702
01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:14,980
do it but I just I just went down to

1703
01:26:19,230 --> 01:26:16,180
Florida and I

1704
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:19,240
I can't got inducted into into a pod

1705
01:26:24,270 --> 01:26:21,760
we were not entertained and friends and

1706
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,280
it just passed over them and you know

1707
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:26,560
they put a whole series of tests it was

1708
01:26:30,510 --> 01:26:28,690
such a fascination because I had a

1709
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:30,520
series of questions I wanted to ask them

1710
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:33,070
that I had held in my mind and they had

1711
01:26:38,490 --> 01:26:35,530
answered all of those questions you know

1712
01:26:41,850 --> 01:26:38,500
over a period of about 12 days including

1713
01:26:44,670 --> 01:26:41,860
a question as to you know what how do

1714
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:44,680
you relate to extraterrestrials and our

1715
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:49,050
last last night there there was a

1716
01:26:54,900 --> 01:26:51,460
magnificent display of extraterrestrial

1717
01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:54,910
crafts out over the bay and then we got

1718
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:55,900
back in New York another

1719
01:26:59,700 --> 01:26:57,970
extraterrestrial craft and then a

1720
01:27:02,580 --> 01:26:59,710
contact with a little extraterrestrial

1721
01:27:04,380 --> 01:27:02,590
so you know it was the Dollfuss really

1722
01:27:06,180 --> 01:27:04,390
got me into it because I realized off

1723
01:27:11,130 --> 01:27:06,190
it's really are intelligent they ring

1724
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:11,140
Wow and so it's except that we don't our

1725
01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:13,930
intelligence is matched with as we can't

1726
01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:15,990
perceive their intelligence in a sense

1727
01:27:22,230 --> 01:27:18,510
is it a different type of intelligence

1728
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:22,240
intelligence yeah yeah yeah exactly and

1729
01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:23,050
it's gonna be the same with

1730
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:24,940
extraterrestrials you know some types of

1731
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,400
the distance oh well I can't wait to see

1732
01:27:36,210 --> 01:27:33,120
what you come up with next because

1733
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:36,220
you've been a very prolific writer and

1734
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:38,320
written some really interesting

1735
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:42,850
materials and also varied material which

1736
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:44,530
is really really interesting you've had

1737
01:27:50,970 --> 01:27:48,910
a an amazing life so far and I can't see

1738
01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:50,980
why it wouldn't continue on to be just

1739
01:27:55,950 --> 01:27:53,590
as amazing so we'll look to see what

1740
01:27:58,980 --> 01:27:55,960
what you come up with in the future and

1741
01:28:00,420 --> 01:27:58,990
I want to thank you so much for coming

1742
01:28:03,570 --> 01:28:00,430
on with us tonight and I want to thank

1743
01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:03,580
Patricia Baker our mutual friend for

1744
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:05,710
connecting us because it has been

1745
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:10,810
absolutely fascinating and it's a very

1746
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:13,210
kind thank you so much yes and very good

1747
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:15,550
questions and I really appreciate it you

1748
01:28:20,730 --> 01:28:17,770
know what I'm talking intelligently

1749
01:28:23,550 --> 01:28:20,740
about these matters oh well thank you so

1750
01:28:26,610 --> 01:28:23,560
much thank you so much I just try to

1751
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:26,620
come from the standpoint of a you know

1752
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:28,570
if the average listener and what they

1753
01:28:34,860 --> 01:28:31,840
I'd like to know about what their next

1754
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:34,870
possible question might be so alright I

1755
01:28:39,090 --> 01:28:37,210
guess the music's rolling Timothy thank

1756
01:28:41,820 --> 01:28:39,100
you again so much for being on with this

1757
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:41,830
Timothy Wylie don't forget to go Tim the

1758
01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:44,110
wily calm check out the artwork and